Emergenetics International is thrilled to have Andy Pan and Shan Kasivyravan as part of our great speaker lineup for the 2017 Brain Summit in Vancouver, Canada! Andy and Shan are both part of Right Impact Training – Singapore’s No. 2 Teambuilding Training Company.
Andy is the Training Director of Right Impact Training. Andy is the highest participant-rated Emergenetics trainer in Singapore for 2014, he was a speaker at the 2015 Brain Summit in Assisi, Italy as well at the inaugural Asia-Pacific Symposium in 2016
Shan is the Sales Director of Right Impact Training. Shan is the Gold awardee for the Overall Independent Sales leader for Emergenetics in Singapore, and in 2016 won the Best WEEvaluation Award for being the highest participant-rated Emergenetics trainer in Singapore.
Let’s get to know Andy and Shan better in advance of the 2017 Emergenetics Brain Summit.
Q: How did you get involved with Emergenetics?
Shan Kasivyravan (SK): It was introduced to me by the current Emergenetics Asia Pacific CEO, Terence Quek. He knew we were in training and that we use other psychometric tools to enhance learning in our workshops. He just said we should seriously consider getting certified in Emergenetics and I said why not and jumped right in..? Hmmm.. Guess my Red preference has something to do with it..
Andy Pan (AP): Well…the truth is…when I took over Right Impact Training, Emergenetics was already being used as the default psychometric tool. I had been an MBTI fan then but after being “forced” into the world of Emergenetics, my world got positively spun around and the rest is history 🙂
Q: You are two of the most sought-after Emergenetics trainers in the Asia-Pacific. Has this given you any interesting Emergenetics “a-ha” moments?
AP: I’m not sure about “a-ha” moments but I am grateful for the recognition given by Emergenetics International Asia-Pacific. It spurs me on to become an even better Emergenetics trainer every year.
SK: Well we did talk about it. Whether it was just a coincidence or what was the reason we both got the award. I am not really sure how the other associate trainers conduct the programme, but both me and Andy come from a very strong experiential leaning background in our “previous life”. We always included experiential activities as part of our workshop. Fun was definitely a defacto attribute of those activities but more importantly we realized that those activities need to have a strong impact on the participants and create a “a-ha” moments for them.
Q: Do you have a favorite Emergenetics activity or exercise?
AP: I might be biased but The Masterpiece, an activity which I presented at the last Brain Summit participated, is one of my favourites, because it hammers home the message that participants have to consciously apply what they learnt during their MOTM workshop, or else learning would just be an ideal that never takes hold of reality. The other would have to be the Love Letter simply because it’s so darn hilarious and at the same time, so full of learning of our LPAs.
SK: It has to be our finale activity “The Masterpiece”. It beautifully summaries the natural human tendencies of judging people based on their behavior and not their intentions. It shows how it is very easy to make conclusions without finding out the actual reason for someone’s actions or maybe even pre-judge people based on our pre-conceived notions we have of them.
Q: How do you define experiential learning? Why is it so impactful?
SK: I don’t think I have to really define experiential learning, it’s self explanatory…Learning through experience as it says….It is so powerful because it creates a non threatening environment which seems not related to their everyday work. But because of this nature, every decision they make and every action they take is a true reflection of their real self. This in turn creates a beautiful foundation for learning and awareness which can be applied back at work.
AP: Simply put…it is learning through experience. It is something that we stubbornly stand for at Right Impact Training. When David Kolb first coined this term, it was still a little fuzzy and open-ended and in a way, experiential learning is still pretty open for exploration. But that’s the beauty of it! It allows educators/trainers to engage their learners through powerful learning activities that anchor better and deeper in an individual after a workshop has ended. As Confucius, a Chinese philosopher once advised, “Tell me and I may forget, Show me and I may remember, Involve me and I will understand.”
Q: You use the mousetrap as a metaphor to represent the things in work or life that cause stress or fear. How does Emergenetics help loosen us from these traps?
AP: Oh wow…I have to admit…this question is a toughie. Well…can I answer it through experiential learning come September 29, 2:15 PM – 3:00 PM at Pinnacle I & II? 🙂
SK: Actually if we can have a device that can create fear in everyone, that will be ideal. But realistically it doesn’t exist or at least is not practical. The mousetrap is as close as we can get. In the exercise there will be people who will feel very uncomfortable or even feel threatened. Some may have no reaction. When we link this back to Emergenetics, it will make us realise how some of us can get very uncomfortable operating from our LPA, and start creating our own “monsters” in our heads which in fact may not be real. At the same time it is also a reflection for those who may not feel uncomfortable at all, and wondering what is the bid deal, not realizing it is a big deal for others.
Because it is my MPA and I am totally comfortable operating from there, it may mean a lot for someone else to operate from the same place because it could be their LPA.
Q: How do you stay innovative?
SK: As much as we occasionally take effort and consciously put in effort to generate new ideas, the real tests comes in when we are cornered by the needs of our clients. When clients come to us and demand I want this and that, and we realise that we do not have anything up our sleeves, well that is when shift into high gear and start cracking our heads. Most if not all the time we do come with some impressive solutions when we get pushed against the wall.
AP: 2 Ways:
1) I work through my strengths using my Green MPA and schedule time to think divergently and explore new business strategies, learning activities, training programmes etc.
2) Tap on the Yellow MPA of my business partner and Brain Summit co-presenter, Shan. He often comes up with the wildest ideas that my second preference, Blue, critiques and rationalises after a brainstorming session.
*See how I presented my response to this question through my Green MPA there? *winks
Q: What are three things that are on your bucket list right now?
SK: 1. Sky dive in New Zealand 2. See the Northern Lights 3. Attempt the scariest roller coaster in the world.
AP: 1) First Class travel on a long-haul flight (OMG…I had saved up tons of air miles over the years and am exchanging it for a first class air ticket from Singapore to LA, en-route to Vancouver!!!)
2) Travel to Antarctica!! I still don’t know exactly why I’m so intrigued by it…
3) I can’t think of a third one though…maybe removing my bachelor status in the near future? I have to admit that I have been a real workaholic for a good number of years…sigh…
Q: How would you describe the term Emergineering? What is an Emergineer?
SK: The main role of Engineering is to create solutions and processes to enhance human experiences, while simplifying effort to increase efficiency. Hmmmmm.. In that case it makes everyone who is certified in Emergenetics an Emergineer.
AP: Mmmm….to me, an Emergineer is a committed Associate who continues the legacy that Geil and Wendell started with non-stop innovation to the Profile that will positively impact millions upon millions globally – An Emergenetics Profile In Every Mind 🙂